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Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:02 pm
by Coyote
I will be starting my bike as soon as I get the electrical glitch fixed. I was going to go with 30-1 Is that OK or do I need 20-1? It has a 100% fresh top end.
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:45 pm
by tz375
I usually start at 100:0 straight gas. there's enough assembly oil to run it for long enough to check the oil pump.
If you feel compelled to add some oil, go 32:1
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:43 pm
by GT750Battleship

Why have you abandoned the pump

Surely the pump is the way to go
Interesting to read your thoughts
Cheers,
Roger
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:03 pm
by tz375
I imagine that Coyote is playing safe on startup and trying to avoid premature meltdown.
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:44 am
by rngdng
I just start it on straight gas also.
Lane
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:41 am
by Coyote
Battleship, I have not abandoned the oil pulp. It was just a precautionary while making sure the pump is working correctly. I need to take all the precautions I can as the pumo is a ???
When I bought the bike, the left cylinder was fried. I don't want my new top end to end up looking like the last. This bike was supposed to be a quick easy fix. That plan ended when I did the initial compression test.

Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:14 pm
by GT750Battleship

Oh,OK..every Suzuki I've started after rebore or just put back together..I just prime the lines & hold pump wide open with the pump rod with motor at idle until the shed is full of smoke,whilst checking lines for air bubbles,never had a problem,on first start up there should be enough oil already internally to lubricate things,good luck with it,that piston sure looks "second hand"
Cheers,
Roger
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:29 pm
by tz375
That's one detonated and seized piece of junk metal.
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:49 pm
by Coyote
The rings are still good though

Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:25 pm
by Vintageman
You should always run 100:1 or more in the tank even with the pump
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:42 pm
by Alan H
Why? Modern fuel is poor enough.
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:39 am
by Vintageman
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Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:00 am
by Alan H
I understand where you are coming from, but even that little amount will drop your octane rating and can cause pinking (pre-detonation) if you like to spank it on the highway.
I suppose if you run it like you owned it (unlike running it like you stole it!) and showed some mechanical respect, it wouldn't make much difference.
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:36 pm
by Vintageman
Never had it affect pinging. And, I usually run 87 Octane

Really can't get 93 unless separate hose at pump (not around like that anymore) or gas up after someone else you know who did just use higher octane… love those Harley guys. Maybe I'm jetted well and have good compression margin.
I have always been advised if you run the girls hard it's wise to put oil in the tank. It's shocking how much they say to use if you road race them for example and still run the pump.
I carry a little with me and if feel real frisky I'll drop as much as couple Oz per gal. You just have remember to warm up the plug next time you start up cold (or carry spares). That would hard to do if you have to start out cold and right into slow city traffic... I don't live in a city
With that said I won't run any oil in tank fresh rebuild. Lube things up in advance, prime pump (drill or push bike in gear) and let in run for several minutes at mid to low rpm. Don't really have to worry about warming the plug or over rev the engine if it feels like it's about to foul out. I know some say run it hard right off... I haven't had luck with that method. I'll wait a little longer for things to seat in.
Good question
The above is my current philosophy. It is something I have evolved into and may change my mind yet.
I do think the initial first minutes of running are critical and so aren’t the next few hours. After, it’s how hard you run it versus how fast it wears out
Re: Start up premix ratio?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:33 pm
by Monkey man
Dont make the same mistake as I did - I fired it up neat after rebuilding the carbs thinking the pump would do its job - the bike siezed big time needing a new crank rebuild - cost me £780
Stay safe and add a little 2 stroke - better to be smokey than sorry