My Custom GT550 Build: The GTX-R550

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Re: My Custom GT550 Build: The GTX-R550

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Cragdog wrote:Did the heads not fit with your current configuration? Hard to tell, but it looks like the ram-air might fit the upper frame nicely.
Keep up the good work and keep the posts/pictures coming! :up:
I'm not quite sure I follow you. I don't have any cylinders on that engine due to just keeping weight of it down while I'm moving it a lot, angling, position, etc.

As it is now, the head and cylinders hit the original gsx-r frame down tubes, so I'll have to trim them up a bit.
Ah I see, was just curious if you had tried to see where the cylinders and heads fit inside the frame yet, it looked like from the pictures that it would've fit nicely at the top. I'm anxious to see how this turns out, I'd love to take on a project like this one day. You're doing a great job and I'm jealous I don't have a modern chassis to fit my motor into! lol :twisted:
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Suzukidave wrote:Looking interesting all right .. does it look l;ike the 2 out side exhaust pipes will clear the 2 pieces of front frame ? Do you plan on removeing the stock seat sub frame all together and get the one designed for the tail piece you have ?
For the exhaust, I'm not worried about them clearing definitely left a generous amount of metal on the gsx-r frame. Can always cut more later. But yeah, will definitely have to trim. The other thing that is misleading about the pics is that the back of the engine is sitting a bit high.

I don't see removing the whole rear subframe as a step I'll need to take. i can modify it to fit the seat I have, fabricate up some mounts for the seat. I do love how big the hump is on that tail section- I can stash all kinds of things in there.
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GTX-R550 wrote: I do love how big the hump is on that tail section- I can stash all kinds of things in there.
Like the oil injection tank :up: Image
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GTX-R550 wrote: The other thing that is misleading about the pics is that the back of the engine is sitting a bit high.
With my 750 based swap i also had to position the engine a bit higher in the rear to get the exhausts tipped down more so i could make the bend in the pipes ..still ended up being quite a sharp bend compared to the smooth bend out of the port you most times see . Image
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Cragdog wrote:
GTX-R550 wrote:
Cragdog wrote:Did the heads not fit with your current configuration? Hard to tell, but it looks like the ram-air might fit the upper frame nicely.
Keep up the good work and keep the posts/pictures coming! :up:
I'm not quite sure I follow you. I don't have any cylinders on that engine due to just keeping weight of it down while I'm moving it a lot, angling, position, etc.

As it is now, the head and cylinders hit the original gsx-r frame down tubes, so I'll have to trim them up a bit.
Ah I see, was just curious if you had tried to see where the cylinders and heads fit inside the frame yet, it looked like from the pictures that it would've fit nicely at the top. I'm anxious to see how this turns out, I'd love to take on a project like this one day. You're doing a great job and I'm jealous I don't have a modern chassis to fit my motor into! lol :twisted:

I'll play with the cylinders this week and report back on what I find. It's amazing how much bigger these 2-stroke engines are than the 4 stroke 4 meant for this frame.
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I think it's called progress, but it'll never catch on.
Think of how stupid the average person is, then realise that half of them are more stupid than that.
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Yeah , the K brand 2 strokes seem to fit these modern frames better as they dont have electric starters . That bit of extra gearing inside the cases make the GT engine just that couple of inches too long . :roll:
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Suzukidave wrote:Yeah , the K brand 2 strokes seem to fit these modern frames better as they dont have electric starters . That bit of extra gearing inside the cases make the GT engine just that couple of inches too long . :roll:

YEah.. oh well, one thing at a time.
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Any updates here???
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Cragdog wrote:Any updates here???
Let's see..

-Finally bought a spark plug thread chaser- the threads are a special cut, not just a typical bolt thread. Cleaned up the threads on one of my heads. One of the plug threads were pretty bad, but I think I'll have enough thread left to get a plug to seat down well enough for a leak down test at least.

-Front wheel spacer arrived at the local dealership, then
installed.
-Finished building my leak down tester.

-Day dreamed extensively, stroked my beard for a good long while meditating on the build. Always feels more productive than it actually is.
-All the while I hoped I would look up and find that the bike had built itself like that bad ass '58 Fury in Steven King's Christine... No luck there.

My tester consists of an expanding rubber freeze plug for the exhaust. Bought a 1.5" plug, expanded up to the 1.6~" no problem. I turned a piece of aluminum down to a plug to fit the intake boots with a hose barb threaded into it. From there some rubber line goes to T junction with a PSI gauge and a blood pressure pump bulb.
I'll take some pictures- I think it's pretty slick in it's own Frankenstein way.

In essence I did exactly what MacDizzy's two stroke site says to do to make your own tester. http://www.macdizzy.com/leakdown.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

About $25 of materials for a $200 motionpro tool....
Waiting for some small rubber stoppers to come in the mail for the SRIS ports. Then I'll finally get my leak down test done on one of my engines.

As for the frame stuff-

The SV650 swingarm is built with the shock mount way off to the left so that the exhaust can shoot out between the rear wheel, swing arm, and frame which is making the dog bone connections for the shock a PITA. So, for $10.50 I bought a 93 gsxr swing arm off ebay. That just arrived yesterday. Last night I made some measurements. The SV axle is a smaller diameter than the gsxr's. Looks to be about the same width. Though, I might have to make a spacer or two.

I ordered a few feet (I'll have extra haha) of aluminum to make a bushing so that I can fit the sv axle, wheel, brake caliper holder, etc to the gsxr swing arm. The aluminum should be here tomorrow or the next day. Made the CNC code about 15 minutes ago, so as soon's the material gets here, I'll be good to go.

Then, once my frame's rolling and has the rear suspension bolted up I'll be bringing the frame and such to school to build the motor mounts. As it is it's a major pain in the ass to move the get up without a rear supsension.


Let's see.. what else.. Worked on my VW diesel caddy last weekend, but I don't think this is the place for that haha.



2 Questions:
For those of you who have already done a leak down test on the early GT crank cases that just have a press in fitting for the SRIS lines, what did you use to plug the holes?
I've considered eliminating the SRIS lines because mine are kinda crispy, but I fear I'll struggle with more fouled plugs. True or false?

Need to do:
-Put gsx-r swing arm on (tonight if I'm not too tired after crossfit tonight)
-make bushings for SV axle, wheel, etc
-bolt up shocks
-make a bracket to hold the external shock reservoir
-measure my port timing
-make expansion chambers which will make all ears bleed with glee
-Install 2007 GSXR front suspension taper bearings
-Build some crap
-Fabricate some crap
-Ring ding around town :twisted:
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-Day dreamed extensively, stroked my beard for a good long while meditating on the build. Always feels more productive than it actually is.
-All the while I hoped I would look up and find that the bike had built itself like that bad ass '58 Fury in Steven King's Christine... No luck there.
Haha, I like your style. I find myself doing this quite often when facing unique problems, however my adolescent-like beard growing abilities leave me with little to grab at.. :?

I have never done a leak down test on these engines, but you can easily seal off the lower SRIS check valves by replacing with bolts of the same size, washer and lock washer. For the upper hose fittings maybe a small rubber stopper?
I eliminated the SRIS on my 550 and it is idling fine, however I haven't finished the project yet so i can't say for sure if it will increase the chance of fouling. From what I know about the SRIS however is that it was meant to reducing the amount of smoke in the pipes when the bike has been sitting. If you ride it often and and at higher speeds then it is a non-issue as you will be burning all the mix in the crank.

Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you, but keep at it, if you can get it all sorted you will have one awesome custom bike. :up: Be sure to keep us updated as you make progress, pictures do save a thousand words.
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Cragdog wrote:
... you can easily seal off the lower SRIS check valves by replacing with bolts of the same size, washer and lock washer. For the upper hose fittings maybe a small rubber stopper?
On the earlier cases the top SRIS valves are threaded, lowers are interference fit. We'll see if the 6 psi blows out the rubber stoppers lol

As I understand the SRIS to work, you'll have the amount of oil in your cases building up when idling, so all of a sudden you'd have to burn more oil, hence fouling the plug. I think. Is this path of thought right?
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GTX-R550 wrote:
Cragdog wrote:
... you can easily seal off the lower SRIS check valves by replacing with bolts of the same size, washer and lock washer. For the upper hose fittings maybe a small rubber stopper?
On the earlier cases the top SRIS valves are threaded, lowers are interference fit. We'll see if the 6 psi blows out the rubber stoppers lol

As I understand the SRIS to work, you'll have the amount of oil in your cases building up when idling, so all of a sudden you'd have to burn more oil, hence fouling the plug. I think. Is this path of thought right?
Maybe add a small hose clamp so they don't go anywhere under pressure..
If it is a significant amount of oil, then yes. But if the bike is nice and warm all you'll notice is a little more smoke on acceleration. If it is actually fouling the plug I'd suspect you are burning trans oil and probably have bigger problems :?
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Re: My Custom GT550 Build: The GTX-R550

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Ring Ding , did you work out how you are going to mount up the engine subframe and the tail frame to mount up the tail piece ?
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Cragdog wrote: Maybe add a small hose clamp so they don't go anywhere under pressure..
If it is a significant amount of oil, then yes. But if the bike is nice and warm all you'll notice is a little more smoke on acceleration. If it is actually fouling the plug I'd suspect you are burning trans oil and probably have bigger problems :?
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I'll take pics! Can't add a hose clamp as I'm putting a plug into the metal case, not into a hose. Am I missing something? I was just going to use a dab o RTV if I had any troubles.

Mm I think fouling plugs can be pretty common with two strokes from just burning the two stroke oil, but I don't want to step on toes and speak too far out of my experience (this is my first two stroke build).
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